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The Southern Baptist Convention Hates Women

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Okay, not really. But they certainly seem to have a problem with people thinking for themselves.

Fox News (yes, that Fox News) reported earlier this week that that all of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Lifeway Christian Bookstores were pulling the latest issue of Gospel Today magazine from their shelves. And what scandalous article did they find offensive enough to merit this drastic move? What naughty photos did the find reprehensible enough to warrant such a draconian measure?

Gospel Today had the never to print an article about (-gasp!-) the existence of female pastors in American churches.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling! Armageddon approaches; it’s blood-curdling cries are nigh! Women! Women! They teachith from our pulpits!!! NoOoOoOoOoOoO!!!!

But seriously, folks, what is the deal here? I grew up in a Baptist church that had a very conservative view of women in leadership positions within the corporate body. Fair enough. I don’t agree with that view, but I understand their position biblically and I respect anyone who’s willing to give a lot of thought to the matter regardless of which side of the issue they land.

That being said, is it really necessary for the
SBC to pull this issue of Gospel Today, a well-respected magazine with a 20 year history? Can the SBC not even allow their members to read about the reality of alternate viewpoints without fearing that they’ll be whisked away by these “liberal” notions?

This is exactly the kind of stuff that lead to me leaving the
SBC. As much respect as I have for the work and the mission that God has allowed the SBC to accomplish and to participate in, their ever-narrowing worldview and protectionist mindset will eventually be their undoing if they don’t right this ship.

Ever since the ludicrous “conservative takeover” of the
SBC that began in earnest in the late 1970s (see this article), the convention has become more and more strict about what it considers to be “orthodox.” I became quite disillusioned with them after the release of the 2000 Baptist Faith and Message, an update to a document that had stood unchanged since 1963. In the revised edition the SBC added statements that would disqualify open theists from participation in the convention, disqualify churches from autonomously calling female pastors to serve, and set down exact guidelines for how women were to submit to the authority of their husbands. Soon after its seminaries began forcing faculty and staff to be in complete agreement with this new creed before allowing them to teach.

Then in November of 2005 trustees of the International Mission Board, the missions arm of the
SBC, voted to bar future missionaries from using a "private prayer language," or speaking in tongues in private. Previously, missionaries were discouraged from speaking in tongues publicly, but their private prayers were not monitored.

Now the same convention that decided it had the right to monitor the private prayers of its missionaries is removing
Gospel Today from its shelves for reporting that there are actually women pastors in the world today.

“They basically treated it like pornography and put it behind the counter," said Teresa Hairston, the author of the evil article. "Unless a person goes into the store and asks for it, they won't see it displayed."

SBC: I sincerely have a lot of love for you guys. In many ways you raised me, nurtured my faith, and showed me the way of Jesus. But you’re shooting yourselves in the foot over and over, and it’s painful to watch. Stop trying to control the private thoughts and prayers of your members; it’s very “Chinese government” of you, and if you’ll notice, China’s not getting a lot of positive press lately. You’re stifling thought, development of theology, and discussion of important 21st century issues. You’re coming off as drastically out-of-touch and controlling to a new generation of Postmoderns who are desperate to see genuine authenticity over bludgeoning coercion.

In closing, I’d like to say how odd I find it that so many of the people who don’t believe a woman should speak from behind a pulpit have no problem with a woman
leading an entire nation.

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The Eternal Subordination of Christ and Women?

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Some academics rub me the wrong way. Maybe they use faulty logic, never imagine that they could be wrong, or refuse to listen to reason even when slapped in the face with it.

Bruce Ware is a theologian who seems to have all of these problems.
I’ve read quite a few papers and several books by Ware and I have never been very impressed with much of what he has to say. Though highly revered amongst his Calvinist associates, his arguments usually fall short of being persuasive and often beg the question.
Recently Ware presented a paper at the annual meeting of the Evangelical Theological Society in Washington, D.C. where he again defended his position of the “eternal subordination of the Son,” a Trinitarian model he has often used as basis for his complementarian view of women in the ministry (or out of ministry if Ware were to have his way). I intended to hop on this morning and criticize his position, but then I discovered a criticism written by Susan Arnold, a Denver Seminary student, on her blog.
Susan did such a spectacular job of tearing Ware’s premise apart (not difficult to do, but she did it succinctly) that I decided to post her article here (with permission, of course) instead. Thanks, Susan! Below is her criticism of Ware’s “academic” paper and I also encourage you to check out her website,
The Philosophical Pastor.
The following is a special guest essay written by Susan Arnold. As always, the opinions expressed in our guest essays do not necessarily represent those of Josh Crain or the other essayists involved with this site. All of that aside, enjoy!

Trinity For Sale? by Susan Arnold

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I was just reading through someone’s review of the recent ETS conference, where apparently a paper was presented by Bruce Ware in which he defends the “eternal subordination of the Son.” Following the links, a review of this paper is found on the CBMW website where a triumphal shout is made regarding the improper quoting of Augustine by an Egalitarian defender at the conference, Kevin Giles (as apparently the proper quotation of Augustine, as opposed to say, Jesus , or Paul, has quite a lot to do with the success of either argument, but I digress). 

This proof of the relationship between Jesus and the Father has become a critical foundation for a “biblical” view of the eternal subordination of women to men.
Think about that.    The “logic” goes like this: 
Jesus eternally submits to the Father ergo women eternally submit to men.
It’s a curious syllogism. Philippians 2:3-8 does not apply only to women. Ephesians 5:21 tells us that submission is mutual. 1 John 2:6 says that anyone who abides in Christ walks in the same manner in which he walks, not just women…  I could go on.
Are we to say, then, that whatever we theologically determine the Father is or does in relationship to the Son, applies to men in relationship to women?  
I again wonder, where does this leave the Holy Spirit in this apparently only binitarian back-door apologetic for the subordination of women? It’s hard to see how such front-and-center attention would be given to defending this “eternal relationship” Jesus has with the Father, were there no felt-need to defend a male’s eternal place at the top of the authority pile. It’s a rather self-serving theological effort, and one that does  seem to have paid off for Ware.
But Traditionalists are not the only ones tweaking “proofs” from Trinitarian doctrine. An Egalitarian defender’s mind-bending 
logical disputation of the subordination of women swings to the other side of the pendulum. Where does it end? Do we really grasp the Trinity so well that we can intellectually and systematically dissect the Holy being of God, and apply our conclusions about God’s nature toward the defeat of our theological enemies? Perhaps it is believed that while some might dare be “unbiblical,” no one would dare be “untrinitarian,” sort of like moving from dynamite to nuclear weapons.
As the CBMW and the CBE duke it out, I find myself becoming less and less interested in who “wins” this one. The whole matter is devastatingly beyond the papers exchanged in the halls of academia. Women and men today still need to hear the Gospel of the Kingdom. The Holy Spirit is not left out of this picture, and is still at work in those who follow Jesus, advancing the Kingdom despite all the wrangling going on about who gets to be king.
And has it been forgotten….in that Kingdom, Jesus is King, eternally. Would anyone care to defend that eternal relationship as metaphorically applying to women?
Ha! I doubt it!
Anyway… what of this attention to trinitarian doctrine as of late. Does anyone really want to place the Trinity in our service this way? A comparatively meager creaturely understanding of this unique and Holy nature of Yahweh, placed in service of a ubiquitous need to figure everything out so we can do something with it, seems a little bit like a 5 year old who decides he is competent to drive the SUV to the corner store for a candy bar.
Stephen Seamands, author of Ministry in the Image of God, (IVP 2005) claims that we are experiencing a “Trinitarian Renaissance,” a “resurgence of interest among theologians in the doctrine of the Trinity.” (p.15) I wonder… why?

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Unattractive Christianity

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It pains me to look at the deeds and actions of some Christians.  There is no doubt that the body of Christ is facing persecution by the world; but more than anyone else attacks us we seem to attack ourselves.
 
Why is it so difficult for us to go and speak to our brothers and sisters in Christ that we have a problem with?
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